From Robert Wolfe@1:261/20 to All on Tuesday, March 03, 2026 15:20:20
testing internet rex and pxw config change.
... It wasn't my fault your wife wandered into my house!
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From RBB Test Robot@2:221/360 to Robert Wolfe on Tuesday, March 03, 2026 22:51:26
03 Mar 26 15:20:20 Robert Wolfe (1:261/20) wrote:
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testing internet rex and pxw config change.
... It wasn't my fault your wife wandered into my house!
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From Mirror Robot@1:229/0 to Robert Wolfe on Tuesday, March 03, 2026 16:05:00
On 03 Mar 26 15:20:20 Robert Wolfe (1:261/20) wrote:
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testing internet rex and pxw config change.
... It wasn't my fault your wife wandered into my house!
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From Robert Wolfe@1:261/20 to All on Thursday, March 05, 2026 10:15:58
testing beta version of px/wins
... If she can't take the heat, get her out of the oven!
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From RBB Test Robot@2:221/360 to Robert Wolfe on Thursday, March 05, 2026 17:18:28
05 Mar 26 10:15:58 Robert Wolfe (1:261/20) wrote:
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testing beta version of px/wins
... If she can't take the heat, get her out of the oven!
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From Mirror Robot@1:229/0 to Robert Wolfe on Thursday, March 05, 2026 11:05:02
On 05 Mar 26 10:15:58 Robert Wolfe (1:261/20) wrote:
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testing beta version of px/wins
... If she can't take the heat, get her out of the oven!
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From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Robert Wolfe on Thursday, March 05, 2026 11:00:32
On 05 Mar 2026, Robert Wolfe said the following...
testing beta version of px/wins
There is a newer version of PX out there??
IB Joe, Pronouns (FJB/LGB)
AKA Joe Schweier
SysOp of 4A 6F 65 73 42 42 53
-=JoesBBS.com=-
From Robert Wolfe@1:261/20 to All on Friday, March 06, 2026 14:01:46
testing
... The man who dies with the most toys is dead..
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From RBB Test Robot@2:221/360 to Robert Wolfe on Friday, March 06, 2026 21:03:26
06 Mar 26 14:01:46 Robert Wolfe (1:261/20) wrote:
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testing
... The man who dies with the most toys is dead..
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From Mirror Robot@1:229/0 to Robert Wolfe on Friday, March 06, 2026 15:05:00
On 06 Mar 26 14:01:46 Robert Wolfe (1:261/20) wrote:
From Daryl Stout@1:19/33 to Matthew Asham on Thursday, March 12, 2026 23:16:13
Matthew,
test
It made it to Arkansas.
Daryl
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From Robert Wolfe@1:261/20 to All on Friday, March 13, 2026 13:21:32
testing posting via thunderbird and nntp
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From RBB Test Robot@2:221/360 to Robert Wolfe on Friday, March 13, 2026 19:24:26
13 Mar 26 13:21:32 Robert Wolfe (1:261/20) wrote:
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testing posting via thunderbird and nntp
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From Mirror Robot@1:229/0 to Robert Wolfe on Friday, March 13, 2026 14:05:02
On 13 Mar 26 13:21:32 Robert Wolfe (1:261/20) wrote:
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testing posting via thunderbird and nntp
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From Daniel Path@2:371/52 to Robert Wolfe on Friday, March 13, 2026 21:14:53
From Nick Boel@1:154/10 to Robert Wolfe on Saturday, March 14, 2026 09:42:48
Hey Robert!
On Fri, 13 Mar 2026 13:21:32 -0400, you wrote:
testing posting via thunderbird and nntp
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If this is a test regarding all of the headers that used to be posted in your NNTP messages, then the test passed!
Regards,
Nick
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From Robert Wolfe@1:261/20 to Nick Boel on Sunday, March 15, 2026 07:36:32
If this is a test regarding all of the headers that used to be posted in you
NNTP messages, then the test passed!
unfortunately, no it wasn't.
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From Nick Boel@1:154/10 to Robert Wolfe on Monday, March 16, 2026 08:23:40
Hey Robert!
On Sun, 15 Mar 2026 07:36:32 -0400, you wrote:
unfortunately, no it wasn't.
Then, I suppose I didn't understand what you were trying to do.
You said something in the lines of "testing Thunderbird and NNTP". Your message didn't include all of those headers. Maybe that only happens when you reply to another message? I don't know.
Regards,
Nick
... Sarcasm: because beating people up is illegal.
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From Robert Wolfe@1:261/20 to Nick Boel on Monday, March 16, 2026 09:39:24
On Mar 16, 2026 08:28am, Nick Boel wrote to
Robert Wolfe:
Thank you, because I kept getting messages
from people saying they saw nntp headers in
the body of messages I post via newsreader.
Apparently some tossers filter that out in
import better than others
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From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to Robert Wolfe on Monday, March 16, 2026 09:04:56
Thank you, because I kept getting messages
from people saying they saw nntp headers in
the body of messages I post via newsreader.
Apparently some tossers filter that out in
import better than others
FWIW, apparently both sbbsecho (synchronet) and hpt are filtering
them out.
Mike
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From Nick Boel@1:154/10 to Robert Wolfe on Monday, March 16, 2026 10:47:52
Hey Robert!
On Mon, 16 Mar 2026 09:39:24 -0400, you wrote:
Thank you, because I kept getting messages
from people saying they saw nntp headers in
the body of messages I post via newsreader.
I was one of them that saw those headers, and wrote to you about it.
Apparently some tossers filter that out in
import better than others
Are you sure you didn't adjust Thunderbird to NOT write headers to the message body?
Were you using the "Reply" button, rather than "Follow-Up"?
I doubt it was a "some tossers" issue, as your last couple of tests via Thunderbird haven't had the headers in the bodies.
Regards,
Nick
... Sarcasm: because beating people up is illegal.
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From Nick Boel@1:154/10 to Mike Powell on Monday, March 16, 2026 10:52:14
Hey Mike!
On Mon, 16 Mar 2026 09:04:56 -0500, you wrote:
FWIW, apparently both sbbsecho (synchronet) and hpt are filtering
them out.
Not sure about that, or I probably wouldn't have seen them in the first place (I use both of what you mention above here, and hpt hasn't been updated since 2024; nor did I change any settings).
Granted, maybe it only includes those headers in the message body when he replies (followup) to a message via NNTP, rather than just posting a new one.
Regards,
Nick
... Sarcasm: because beating people up is illegal.
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From Robert Wolfe@1:261/20 to Nick Boel on Monday, March 16, 2026 12:11:16
On 3/16/2026 10:57 AM, Nick Boel wrote:
Hey Mike!
On Mon, 16 Mar 2026 09:04:56 -0500, you wrote:
> FWIW, apparently both sbbsecho (synchronet) and hpt are filtering
> them out.
Not sure about that, or I probably wouldn't have seen them in the first place (I use both of what you mention above here, and hpt hasn't been updated since 2024; nor did I change any settings).
Granted, maybe it only includes those headers in the message body when he replies (followup) to a message via NNTP, rather than just posting a new one.
Regards,
Nick
.. Sarcasm: because beating people up is illegal.
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Let's try this one. I have ent santronicsa message regarding this.
They are pretty receptive to feedback After all, they are adding binkp
to their front end mailer product after all these years.
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From Robert Wolfe@1:261/20 to All on Monday, March 16, 2026 12:13:42
On 3/16/2026 10:52 AM, Nick Boel wrote:
Hey Robert!
On Mon, 16 Mar 2026 09:39:24 -0400, you wrote:
> Thank you, because I kept getting messages
> from people saying they saw nntp headers in
> the body of messages I post via newsreader.
I was one of them that saw those headers, and wrote to you about it.
> Apparently some tossers filter that out in
> import better than others
Are you sure you didn't adjust Thunderbird to NOT write headers to the message
body?
Were you using the "Reply" button, rather than "Follow-Up"?
I doubt it was a "some tossers" issue, as your last couple of tests via Thunderbird haven't had the headers in the bodies.
tbh, i don't know how to do that. as long as the mailer part works,
thats all im concerned about.
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From RBB Test Robot@2:221/360 to Robert Wolfe on Monday, March 16, 2026 18:15:48
16 Mar 26 12:13:42 Robert Wolfe (1:261/20) wrote:
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On 3/16/2026 10:52 AM, Nick Boel wrote:
Hey Robert!
On Mon, 16 Mar 2026 09:39:24 -0400, you wrote:
> Thank you, because I kept getting messages
> from people saying they saw nntp headers in
> the body of messages I post via newsreader.
I was one of them that saw those headers, and wrote to you about it.
> Apparently some tossers filter that out in
> import better than others
Are you sure you didn't adjust Thunderbird to NOT write headers to the message
body?
Were you using the "Reply" button, rather than "Follow-Up"?
I doubt it was a "some tossers" issue, as your last couple of tests via Thunderbird haven't had the headers in the bodies.
tbh, i don't know how to do that. as long as the mailer part works,
thats all im concerned about.
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From Nick Boel@1:154/10 to Robert Wolfe on Monday, March 16, 2026 17:53:56
Hey Robert!
On Mon, 16 Mar 2026 12:11:16 -0400, you wrote:
On 3/16/2026 10:57 AM, Nick Boel wrote:
Hey Mike!
On Mon, 16 Mar 2026 09:04:56 -0500, you wrote:
> FWIW, apparently both sbbsecho (synchronet) and hpt are filtering
> them out.
Not sure about that, or I probably wouldn't have seen them in the
first place (I use both of what you mention above here, and hpt hasn't
been updated since
2024; nor did I change any settings).
Granted, maybe it only includes those headers in the message body when
he replies (followup) to a message via NNTP, rather than just posting
a new one.
Regards,
Nick
.. Sarcasm: because beating people up is illegal.
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Let's try this one. I have ent santronicsa message regarding this.
They are pretty receptive to feedback After all, they are adding binkp
to their front end mailer product after all these years.
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This is how your message was received here (without one quote level, of course). Looks much better as far as quoting is concerned.
Was this done with Thunderbird? Or your BBS message editor?
Regards,
Nick
... Sarcasm: because beating people up is illegal.
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From Robert Wolfe@1:261/20 to Nick Boel on Monday, March 16, 2026 20:34:10
This is how your message was received here (without one quote level, of course). Looks much better as far as quoting is concerned.
Was this done with Thunderbird? Or your BBS message editor?
this reply was done with my bbs' editor. the previous one was with thunderbird.
... Any sufficiently advanced technology looks like magic.
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From Mike Powell@1:2320/195 to Nick Boel on Tuesday, March 17, 2026 08:20:00
Granted, maybe it only includes those headers in the message body when he replies (followup) to a message via NNTP, rather than just posting a new one.
From Robert Wolfe@1:261/20 to Nick Boel on Tuesday, March 17, 2026 10:29:10
This is how your message was received here (without one quote level, of course). Looks much better as far as quoting is concerned.
Was this done with Thunderbird? Or your BBS message editor?
This message was wriiten while logged into my bbs. Wildcat! always
uses "->" when quoting.
... Life is short, eat dessert first.
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From Max Stubbs@1:103/705 to Robert Wolfe on Tuesday, March 17, 2026 10:13:24
Re: test
By: Robert Wolfe to Nick Boel on Tue Mar 17 2026 10:29 am
This is how your message was
received here (without one quote
level, of course). Looks much
better as far as quoting is
concerned.
Was this done with Thunderbird? O
your BBS message editor?
This message was wriiten while logge
into my bbs. Wildcat! always
uses "->" when quoting.
... Life is short, eat dessert first
could be worse. I'm on a C64 Ultimate
and when my message word wraps, it
just slaps my words together, and
editing messages seems buggy for me.
If I try and move the cursor while
editing, lines appear and dissapear
seemingly at random, making it
impossible to actually edit anything.
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From Robert Wolfe@1:261/20 to Mike Powell on Tuesday, March 17, 2026 15:27:42
On Mar 17, 2026 08:20am, Mike Powell wrote to
Nick Boel:
Granted, maybe it only includes those
headers in the message body when he
replies (followup) to a message via NNTP,
rather than just posting a new
one.
That could be!
Mike
The good news is that I brought this to
Santronics' attention and they are going to
put the issue in a parallel bug fix for
px/wins and the wcqwk.exe qwk echomail
processor.
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From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Robert Wolfe on Tuesday, March 17, 2026 21:15:09
Hi Robert,
On 2026-03-17 15:27:42, you wrote to Mike Powell:
Granted, maybe it only includes those
headers in the message body when he
replies (followup) to a message via NNTP,
rather than just posting a new
one.
That could be!
Mike
The good news is that I brought this to
Santronics' attention and they are going to
put the issue in a parallel bug fix for
px/wins and the wcqwk.exe qwk echomail
processor.
Can they also fix the "-> " quoting style? ;-)
Bye, Wilfred.
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From Robert Wolfe@1:261/20 to Wilfred Van Velzen on Tuesday, March 17, 2026 18:51:28
Can they also fix the "-> " quoting style? ;-)
why. its been that way since wildcat 2.xx
... You will be the victim of a bizarre joke.
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From Robert Wolfe@1:261/20 to Mike Powell on Tuesday, March 17, 2026 20:24:28
Granted, maybe it only includes those headers in the message body when he replies (followup) to a message via NNTP, rather than just posting a new o
That could be!
I brought this up with hector and he is going to see if he can work a
fix for this into the .2 alpha cycle :)
... Some days you're the windshield, some days the bug.
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From Robert Wolfe@1:261/20 to Wilfred Van Velzen on Tuesday, March 17, 2026 20:25:16
The good news is that I brought this to
Santronics' attention and they are going to
put the issue in a parallel bug fix for
px/wins and the wcqwk.exe qwk echomail
processor.
Can they also fix the "-> " quoting style? ;-)
I think I could fix that directly, if I wanted to. I just need to ask if
its in the editor WCC code anywhere.
... I'm not afraid of heights; I'm afraid of widths.
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From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Robert Wolfe on Wednesday, March 18, 2026 08:50:51
Hi Robert,
On 2026-03-17 18:51:28, you wrote to me:
Can they also fix the "-> " quoting style? ;-)
why. its been that way since wildcat 2.xx
Because it's always been done wrong, doesn't make it right! ;-)
So other editors don't recognise this as a quoted line, so subsequent quotes
become a mess as shown above...
other standards have been updated, why can't this one. And as far as I
can tell you seem to be the only one PMSing about it. But to keep you
happy, I've reported this to Santronics. And it's off that PCBoard used
a similar quoting style and life went on.
... The above opinion is worth 2 cents.
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From Robert Wolfe@1:261/20 to Mike Powell on Wednesday, March 18, 2026 10:31:12
On Mar 18, 2026 08:26am, Mike Powell wrote to
Robert Wolfe:
if they fix it, they fix it. Right now,
something that minor is the least of their
worries. Right now they are more focused on
getting their front end mailer updated with
binkp as their paying customers
(including me) have been needing for years --
proper binkp support in Platinum Xpress. you
know the saying "Money talks."
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From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Mike Powell on Wednesday, March 18, 2026 19:13:41
Hi Mike,
On 2026-03-18 09:19:52, you wrote to me:
Can they also fix the "-> " quoting style? ;-)
why. its been that way since wildcat 2.xx
So other editors don't recognise this as a quoted line, so
subsequent quotes become a mess as shown above...
It is not coming across as a mess here?
It would become a real mess if the quoted line was longer and would flow over to the next line.
FSCs are not standards. <shrug>
--
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From Stephen Walsh@3:633/280 to Robert Wolfe on Thursday, March 19, 2026 11:23:36
Hello Robert!
18 Mar 26 08:26, you wrote to Wilfred Van Velzen:
So other editors don't recognise this as a quoted line, so
subsequent quotes -> become a mess as shown above...
other standards have been updated, why can't this one. And as far as
I can tell you seem to be the only one PMSing about it. But to keep
you happy, I've reported this to Santronics. And it's off that
PCBoard used a similar quoting style and life went on.
Some of your messages like this one come out looking fine, and go past what looks like a 40 character limit.
I'm going to quote your next message, and it will look like it was cut at that limit.
if they fix it, they fix it. Right now,
something that minor is the least of their
worries. Right now they are more focused on
getting their front end mailer updated with
binkp as their paying customers
(including me) have been needing for years --
proper binkp support in Platinum Xpress. you
know the saying "Money talks."
This is your next message. Notice how it's got no line flow and looks like it's stuck at 40 characters or did you press enter at
that mark. Either way it looks strange.
From RBB Test Robot@2:221/360 to Robert Wolfe on Thursday, March 19, 2026 14:26:06
19 Mar 26 08:18:44 Robert Wolfe (1:261/20) wrote:
==== begin of the message ====
@TID: PX/Win v10.0 PX28-1176M
@MSGID: 1:261/20 cfede073
@TZUTC: -0400
On 3/19/2026 11:12 AM, Stephen Walsh wrote:
Hello Robert!
18 Mar 26 08:26, you wrote to Wilfred Van Velzen:
RW> -> So other editors don't recognise this as a quoted line, so
RW> subsequent quotes -> become a mess as shown above...
RW> other standards have been updated, why can't this one. And as far as
RW> I can tell you seem to be the only one PMSing about it. But to keep
RW> you happy, I've reported this to Santronics. And it's off that
RW> PCBoard used a similar quoting style and life went on.
Some of your messages like this one come out looking fine, and go past what looks like a 40 character limit.
I'm going to quote your next message, and it will look like it was cut at that
limit.
Explained in my previous message.
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From RBB Test Robot@2:221/360 to Robert Wolfe on Thursday, March 19, 2026 14:26:06
19 Mar 26 08:21:02 Robert Wolfe (1:261/20) wrote:
==== begin of the message ====
@TID: PX/Win v10.0 PX28-1176M
@MSGID: 1:261/20 784ab518
@TZUTC: -0400
On 3/16/2026 12:13 PM, Robert Wolfe wrote:
On 3/16/2026 10:52 AM, Nick Boel wrote:
Hey Robert!
On Mon, 16 Mar 2026 09:39:24 -0400, you wrote:
> Thank you, because I kept getting messages
> from people saying they saw nntp headers in
> the body of messages I post via newsreader.
I was one of them that saw those headers, and wrote to you about it.
> Apparently some tossers filter that out in
> import better than others
Are you sure you didn't adjust Thunderbird to NOT write headers to the message
body?
Were you using the "Reply" button, rather than "Follow-Up"?
I doubt it was a "some tossers" issue, as your last couple of tests via
Thunderbird haven't had the headers in the bodies.
tbh, i don't know how to do that. as long as the mailer part works,
thats all im concerned about.
I always use follow-up when using thunderbird.
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From Robert Wolfe@1:261/20 to Stephen Walsh on Thursday, March 19, 2026 08:18:04
RW> if they fix it, they fix it. Right now,
RW> something that minor is the least of their
RW> worries. Right now they are more focused on
RW> getting their front end mailer updated with
RW> binkp as their paying customers
RW> (including me) have been needing for years --
RW> proper binkp support in Platinum Xpress. you
RW> know the saying "Money talks."
This is your next message. Notice how it's got no line flow and looks like it's
stuck at 40 characters or did you press enter at
that mark. Either way it looks strange.
This is because of thte font size I have to use. Old eyes here. Not as
young as I used to be.
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From Robert Wolfe@1:261/20 to All on Thursday, March 19, 2026 08:18:44
On 3/19/2026 11:12 AM, Stephen Walsh wrote:
Hello Robert!
18 Mar 26 08:26, you wrote to Wilfred Van Velzen:
RW> -> So other editors don't recognise this as a quoted line, so
RW> subsequent quotes -> become a mess as shown above...
RW> other standards have been updated, why can't this one. And as far as
RW> I can tell you seem to be the only one PMSing about it. But to keep
RW> you happy, I've reported this to Santronics. And it's off that
RW> PCBoard used a similar quoting style and life went on.
Some of your messages like this one come out looking fine, and go past what looks like a 40 character limit.
I'm going to quote your next message, and it will look like it was cut at that
limit.
Explained in my previous message.
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From Robert Wolfe@1:261/20 to All on Thursday, March 19, 2026 08:21:02
On 3/16/2026 12:13 PM, Robert Wolfe wrote:
On 3/16/2026 10:52 AM, Nick Boel wrote:
Hey Robert!
On Mon, 16 Mar 2026 09:39:24 -0400, you wrote:
> Thank you, because I kept getting messages
> from people saying they saw nntp headers in
> the body of messages I post via newsreader.
I was one of them that saw those headers, and wrote to you about it.
> Apparently some tossers filter that out in
> import better than others
Are you sure you didn't adjust Thunderbird to NOT write headers to the message
body?
Were you using the "Reply" button, rather than "Follow-Up"?
I doubt it was a "some tossers" issue, as your last couple of tests via
Thunderbird haven't had the headers in the bodies.
tbh, i don't know how to do that. as long as the mailer part works,
thats all im concerned about.
I always use follow-up when using thunderbird.
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From Robert Wolfe@1:261/20 to Stephen Walsh on Friday, March 20, 2026 07:30:52
if they fix it, they fix it. Right now,
something that minor is the least of their
worries. Right now they are more focused on
getting their front end mailer updated with
binkp as their paying customers
(including me) have been needing for years --
proper binkp support in Platinum Xpress. you
know the saying "Money talks."
This is your next message. Notice how it's got no line flow and looks like i
stuck at 40 characters or did you press enter at
that mark. Either way it looks strange.
Again, large font in my offline message editor so I can actually see
what I'm typing even with glasses. Methinks allthese years of running
a BBS have ruined my eyesight. Do us a favor and don't get old. :)
... Include this in your CONFIG.SYS File: BUGS=OFF
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From Shawn Highfield@1:229/452 to Robert Wolfe on Friday, March 20, 2026 11:17:46
Robert Wolfe wrote in a message to Stephen Walsh:
Again, large font in my offline message editor so I can actually see
what I'm typing even with glasses. Methinks allthese years of
running a BBS have ruined my eyesight. Do us a favor and don't get
old. :)
You are not that old. I wear glasses now, whatever if you can't see with them maybe you need to see the eye doc again?
Shawn
P.S. I have a modern working message tosser I normally use (HPT) but when posting here I like to use old broken software to make the people who care INSANE.
... Hindsight is an exact science.
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From Max Stubbs@1:103/705 to Shawn Highfield on Friday, March 20, 2026 08:42:38
Re: test
By: Shawn Highfield to Robert Wolfe on Fri Mar 20 2026 11:17 am
You are not that old. I wear glasse
now, whatever if you can't see with
them maybe you need to see the eye d
again?
You never know. When I did residential
IT, I had a 96 year old customer who
used an electric magnifying glass
pressed directly to the screen to use
AOL mail scaled up to the point where
only three characters were visible on
screen at a time. I feel at that point
you probably ought to get specialized
software, but good luck training a
lady in her 90s.
.s
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From Alexander Grotewohl@1:120/616 to Shawn Highfield on Friday, March 20, 2026 12:00:39
On 20 Mar 2026, Shawn Highfield said the following...
nice to see ya Shawn
Robert Wolfe wrote in a message to Stephen Walsh:
Again, large font in my offline message editor so I can actually see what I'm typing even with glasses. Methinks allthese years of
running a BBS have ruined my eyesight. Do us a favor and don't get old. :)
You are not that old. I wear glasses now, whatever if you can't see
with them maybe you need to see the eye doc again?
just gotta get an even bigger screen!
my uncle uses a 45" TV lol. though i shouldn't joke because my screen is 32" and 1440p.. makes for a decently large default font size.
P.S. I have a modern working message tosser I normally use (HPT) but when posting here I like to use old broken software to make the people who
care INSANE.
sad most of that old software will remain fixed in time.. it's nice to have options
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From Alexander Grotewohl@1:120/616 to Max Stubbs on Friday, March 20, 2026 12:04:15
On 20 Mar 2026, Max Stubbs said the following...
You never know. When I did residential
IT, I had a 96 year old customer who
used an electric magnifying glass
pressed directly to the screen to use
AOL mail scaled up to the point where
only three characters were visible on
screen at a time. I feel at that point
you probably ought to get specialized
software, but good luck training a
lady in her 90s.
right.. screen readers now are probably pretty slick. maybe it's time to learn how one works and set it up as one of those "you never know until you need it" sort of things.. "ain't gettin' any younger"
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From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Shawn Highfield on Friday, March 20, 2026 17:41:12
Hi Shawn,
On 2026-03-20 11:17:46, you wrote to Robert Wolfe:
P.S. I have a modern working message tosser I normally use (HPT) but
when posting here I like to use old broken software to make the people
who care INSANE.
Indeed your message has no TZUTC kludge! :-(
Bye, Wilfred.
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From Robert Wolfe@1:261/20 to Shawn Highfield on Friday, March 20, 2026 13:05:44
You are not that old. I wear glasses now, whatever if you can't see with th
maybe you need to see the eye doc again?
My vision is 20/30 without glasses and 20/20 with. I think it was just
the fact I was up at the crack of dawn reading messages
P.S. I have a modern working message tosser I normally use (HPT) but when posting here I like to use old broken software to make the people who care INSANE.
LOL some things never change. Happy to see you're still around.
... But honey, I wouldn't be up so late on a faster machine!
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From Robert Wolfe@1:261/20 to Alexander Grotewohl on Friday, March 20, 2026 13:14:34
sad most of that old software will remain fixed in time.. it's nice to have options
Yeah but the good thing is is Santronics is back to active work onWINS
and PX. They even have a working WC4 system running it seems :)
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From Carlos Navarro@2:341/234.5 to Robert Wolfe on Friday, March 20, 2026 20:34:56
Hi Robert,
sad most of that old software will remain fixed in time.. it's nice to
have options
Contrary to GoldED, Winpoint doesn't have any issues with those "special" quotes :-)
Yeah but the good thing is is Santronics is back to active work onWINS
and PX. They even have a working WC4 system running it seems :)
It would be nice if they at least supported the REPLY kludge... (FTS-0009)
Carlos
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From Shawn Highfield@1:229/452 to Wilfred van Velzen on Friday, March 20, 2026 20:41:27
Hello Wilfred!
20 Mar 26 17:41, you wrote to me:
Indeed your message has no TZUTC kludge! :-(
If I could strip everything I would. I mean I use 30 year old software
and it can deal with that, but for some reason new software can't?
Silly.
Shawn
... Windows Error 002: No error... Yet.
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From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Shawn Highfield on Friday, March 20, 2026 18:23:09
Indeed your message has no TZUTC kludge! :-(
If I could strip everything I would. I mean I use 30 year old software and it can deal with that, but for some reason new software can't?
Correction - The Dutch can't.
Nick
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From Stephen Walsh@3:633/280 to Robert Wolfe on Saturday, March 21, 2026 11:13:14
Hello Robert!
20 Mar 26 07:30, you wrote to me:
This is your next message. Notice how it's got no line flow and
looks like i -> stuck at 40 characters or did you press enter at ->
that mark. Either way it looks strange.
Again, large font in my offline message editor so I can actually see
what I'm typing even with glasses. Methinks allthese years of running
a BBS have ruined my eyesight. Do us a favor and don't get old. :)
Yeah, the old CRT's f'd my eyesight as well... Now you tell me about getting old!
From Robert Wolfe@1:261/20 to Carlos Navarro on Friday, March 20, 2026 20:24:44
It would be nice if they at least supported the REPLY kludge...
(FTS-0009)
It is what it is. AT LEAST THEY ARE STILL DEVELOPING ANDSUPPORTING THE PRODUCTS.
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From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Robert Wolfe on Saturday, March 21, 2026 00:17:51
On 20 Mar 26 20:24:44, Robert Wolfe said the following to Carlos Navarro:
It would be nice if they at least supported the REPLY kludge...
(FTS-0009)
It is what it is. AT LEAST THEY ARE STILL DEVELOPING ANDSUPPORTING THE PRODUCTS.
Its tempting to Fabreeze the nauseating Dutch stench by shutting off those silly kludges here entirely. Just for some fresh air while someone takes their stained suspenders to the laundromat.
Nick
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From Carlos Navarro@2:341/234.12 to Robert Wolfe on Saturday, March 21, 2026 18:21:08
Hello, Robert Wolfe.
On 20/3/26 20:24 you wrote:
It would be nice if they at least supported the REPLY kludge...
It is what it is. AT LEAST THEY ARE STILL DEVELOPING
ANDSUPPORTING THE PRODUCTS.
Ok, no need to be upset. It's good that they are developing their products.
It was just a suggestion to improve their support for Fidonet.
--
Carlos
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From Max Stubbs@1:103/705 to Stephen Walsh on Saturday, March 21, 2026 12:07:20
Re: test
By: Stephen Walsh to Max Stubbs on Sat Mar 21 2026 11:15 am
Is that like trying to train a cat?
There at least are real stories
of cats being successfully
trained.
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From Robert Wolfe@1:261/20 to Carlos Navarro on Saturday, March 21, 2026 20:09:28
On 3/21/2026 6:20 PM, Carlos Navarro wrote to Robert Wolfe:
@PID: Hotdoged/2.13.5/Android
fwiw, I've been trying for days to remember the name of this now.:)
Ok, no need to be upset. It's good that they are developing their products.
It was just a suggestion to improve their support for Fidonet.
I know. I can probably change the quote character since I own a PlusPack license. I just
have to find where in the source it's located.
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From Carlos Navarro@2:341/234.12 to Robert Wolfe on Sunday, March 22, 2026 13:39:34
Hello, Robert Wolfe.
On 21/3/26 20:09 you wrote:
@PID: Hotdoged/2.13.5/Android
fwiw, I've been trying for days to remember the name of this
now.:)
You mean HotdogEd? It's a great app, I love it!
Ok, no need to be upset. It's good that they are developing their
products. It was just a suggestion to improve their support for
Fidonet.
I know. I can probably change the quote character since I own a PlusPack license. I just have to find where in the source it's located.
I didn't mean the quoting style... I was talking about the missing REPLY control line.
It would be good if they added support for it. Do the developers read the Wildcat echo or others? Any other way to contact them?
--
Carlos
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From Robert Wolfe@1:261/20 to Carlos Navarro on Sunday, March 22, 2026 17:21:34
On Mar 22, 2026 01:38pm, Carlos Navarro wrote
to Robert Wolfe:
Hello, Robert Wolfe.
On 21/3/26 20:09 you wrote:
@PID: Hotdoged/2.13.5/Android
fwiw, I've been trying for days to
remember the name of this
now.:)
You mean HotdogEd? It's a great app, I
love it!
Ok, no need to be upset. It's good that
they are developing their
products. It was just a suggestion to
improve their support for
Fidonet.
I know. I can probably change the
quote character since I own a
PlusPack license. I just have to find
where in the source it's
located.
I didn't mean the quoting style... I was
talking about the missing REPLY
control line.
It would be good if they added support
for it. Do the developers read
the Wildcat echo or others? Any other
way to contact them?
No. They do not read any fido echoes as they
are not on Fidonet.
Right now we Wildcat! sysops are just glad
they are adding binkp support to their
product after years of bitching at them about
it.
Way I see it, is as long as it works, I don't
care if it meets old, outdated standards or
not.
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From RBB Test Robot@2:221/360 to Ivan Zelenyi on Monday, April 06, 2026 04:27:12
06 Apr 26 05:52:53 Ivan Zelenyi (2:50/86.1) wrote:
From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Ward Dossche on Monday, April 06, 2026 12:36:27
Hi Ward,
On 2026-04-06 12:12:02, you wrote to Carlos Navarro:
But there is no TZUTC kludge. Not surprising, since HotdogEd doesn't
generate it.
Does it really matter?
It gives extra information about when a message was written. Sometimes that is useful information.
I've been running for a while with an incorrect TZUTC-kludge and it bothered no-one apparently.
Maybe people were bothered, but didn't want to annoy you and others about it? Because people don't say anything, you can't conclude they aren't bothered by something.
But this is the FIDOTEST area, things that can be improved (minor or major doesn't matter) are pointed out. Isn't that the purpose of a test area?
Bye, Wilfred.
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From Carlos Navarro@2:341/234.12 to Ward Dossche on Monday, April 06, 2026 13:05:26
Hello, Ward Dossche.
On 6/4/26 12:12 you wrote:
But there is no TZUTC kludge. Not surprising, since HotdogEd
doesn't generate it.
Does it really matter?
It's not super-important, but it's better if it's there, so that you can know when the message was actually posted. Some software can use it to display the "real" date/time according to the reader's timezone.
I've been running for a while with an incorrect TZUTC-kludge and
it bothered no-one apparently.
Just a difference of 1 hour, I guess... :-)
I don't think anyone is really bothered anyway...
--
Carlos
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From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Wilfred van Velzen on Monday, April 06, 2026 13:18:19
Wilfred,
Does it really matter?
It gives extra information about when a message was written. Sometimes
that is useful information.
It is mostly irrelevant, Wilfred. Only nitpickers get turned on by it.
"nitpicker" as in the translation from "mierenneuker".
From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Ward Dossche on Monday, April 06, 2026 13:26:26
Hi Ward,
On 2026-04-06 13:18:19, you wrote to me:
Does it really matter?
It gives extra information about when a message was written. Sometimes
that is useful information.
It is mostly irrelevant, Wilfred. Only nitpickers get turned on by it.
It's an FTSC standard. You are one of the supporters to keep the FTSC alive, going as far as to manipulate the nodelist to keep it alive. So why bother at all if those standards are mostly irrelevant?
Bye, Wilfred.
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From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Ward Dossche on Monday, April 06, 2026 13:27:22
Hello Ward,
On Monday April 06 2026 13:18, you wrote to Wilfred van Velzen:
Does it really matter?
It gives extra information about when a message was written.
Sometimes that is useful information.
It is mostly irrelevant, Wilfred.
Actually "everything" in Fidonet has become mostly irrelevant decades ago. There are easier and more efficient ways of communicating these days.
Only nitpickers get turned on by it.
"nitpicker" as in the translation from "mierenneuker".
If it weren't for those "nitpickers" Fidonet would have been dead decades ago.
Cheers, Michiel
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From Carlos Navarro@2:341/234.12 to Ward Dossche on Monday, April 06, 2026 13:52:53
Hello, Ward Dossche.
On 6/4/26 13:18 you wrote:
It is mostly irrelevant, Wilfred.
Would it matter if the local date/time of the sender was displayed in emails or Facebook posts, for example?
--
Carlos
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From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Carlos Navarro on Monday, April 06, 2026 14:36:42
Hi Carlos,
On 2026-04-06 13:52:53, you wrote to Ward Dossche:
It is mostly irrelevant, Wilfred.
Would it matter if the local date/time of the sender was displayed in emails
or Facebook posts, for example?
I think responses on facebook are always shown in chronological order. In fidonet this isn't automatic, because messages travel through different paths, they sometimes arrive later then older posts, which mixes up the chronological order, which sometimes is confusing...
Bye, Wilfred.
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From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Wilfred van Velzen on Monday, April 06, 2026 14:46:58
Hello Wilfred,
On Monday April 06 2026 14:36, you wrote to Carlos Navarro:
It is mostly irrelevant, Wilfred.
Would it matter if the local date/time of the sender was
displayed in emails or Facebook posts, for example?
I think responses on facebook are always shown in chronological order.
In fidonet this isn't automatic, because messages travel through
different paths, they sometimes arrive later then older posts, which
mixes up the chronological order, which sometimes is confusing...
So it is nice if messages can be sorted on UTC. For that the TZUTC kludge is needed.
Note: I always thought the the founding fathers of Fidonet erred in using local time for he date/time stamp in messages. Note that even the country of origin of Fidonet has more than one time zone. So like in aviation UTC should have been used. If there is a need for knowing the local time of the sender a TZLOC kludge could be used.
Cheers, Michiel
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From Ivan Zelenyi@2:50/86.1 to Carlos Navarro on Monday, April 06, 2026 19:26:31
Hello, Carlos Navarro.
On 06.04.2026 11:22 you wrote:
But there is no TZUTC kludge. Not surprising, since HotdogEd
doesn't generate it.
Today I used a tunnel in the mesh network to connect an EON-node at home. I don't know if it's possible to set the correct tzutc in Hotdoged?
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Ivan Zelenyi
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From Carlos Navarro@2:341/234.1 to Ivan Zelenyi on Monday, April 06, 2026 18:03:00
06 Apr 2026 19:26, you wrote to me:
But there is no TZUTC kludge. Not surprising, since HotdogEd
doesn't generate it.
Today I used a tunnel in the mesh network to connect an EON-node at
home. I don't know if it's possible to set the correct tzutc in
Hotdoged?
If you can run PHP in your bossnode, you can use a script that I made that inserts the TZUTC kludge in PKTs from selected points (before they are tossed).
From Carlos Navarro@2:341/234.1 to Wilfred van Velzen on Monday, April 06, 2026 18:05:52
06 Apr 2026 14:36, you wrote to me:
Would it matter if the local date/time of the sender was
displayed in emails or Facebook posts, for example?
I think responses on facebook are always shown in chronological order.
In fidonet this isn't automatic, because messages travel through
different paths, they sometimes arrive later then older posts, which
mixes up the chronological order, which sometimes is confusing...
I'm not talking about how the messages are sorted, but about the date/time of posts. If I'm not mistaken, users see the date/time in their corresponding local time (although it may be displayed as "X hours ago", "X days ago" or something similar, unless you hover over it). It's the same in other platforms.
From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Carlos Navarro on Monday, April 06, 2026 21:27:19
Hi Carlos,
On 2026-04-06 18:05:52, you wrote to me:
Would it matter if the local date/time of the sender was
displayed in emails or Facebook posts, for example?
I think responses on facebook are always shown in chronological order.
In fidonet this isn't automatic, because messages travel through
different paths, they sometimes arrive later then older posts, which
mixes up the chronological order, which sometimes is confusing...
I'm not talking about how the messages are sorted, but about the date/time of
posts. If I'm not mistaken, users see the date/time in their corresponding local time (although it may be displayed as "X hours ago", "X days ago" or something similar, unless you hover over it). It's the same in other platforms.
So the timezone is used on those platforms, just not shown to the users.
Bye, Wilfred.
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From Daryl Stout@1:19/33 to Ivan Zelenyi on Monday, April 06, 2026 20:02:49
test
It made it to Arkansas.
Daryl
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From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Michiel van der Vlist on Wednesday, April 08, 2026 00:12:33
Michiel,
Only nitpickers get turned on by it.
"nitpicker" as in the translation from "mierenneuker".
If it weren't for those "nitpickers" Fidonet would have been dead decades ago.
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From Robert Wolfe@1:261/20 to Ivan Zelenyi on Sunday, April 12, 2026 19:16:48
test
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looks good!
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From Robert Wolfe@1:261/20 to All on Sunday, April 12, 2026 19:41:34
testing
... Platinum Xpress & Wildcat!..... Nice!!!!
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From Mirror Robot@1:229/0 to Robert Wolfe on Wednesday, April 15, 2026 08:00:10
On 12 Apr 26 19:41:34 Robert Wolfe (1:261/20) wrote:
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installed a new beta update. Let's see what happens.
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From Robert Wolfe@1:261/20.1 to All on Wednesday, April 22, 2026 13:41:48
testing
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